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EPO Under Fire At CIPA CongressThursday, October 8. 2009Tools
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Dear Axel, I don't think that the AC members are actually briefed by their governments. Firstly, patent offices are often placed at arms length of the government. E.g. in NL the "Octrooicentrum" is an agency with its own budget. And we know that national patent offices are involved in a struggle about finances with the EPO. This is conflicting with an objective role in innovation policy. Secondly, patents are not an issue of mainstream politics. However important patents are for innovation, politicians consider patents as something "technical" for experts. Which gives ample room to the AC members to do what they believe to be in their own interest.
In my perception, patent policy ought to be linked to innovation offices that exists for instance in NL. If only they don't make the mistake to equate the number of granted patents to the rate of innovation!
Mhh ... well ... I'd be inclined to say that even if the head of some NPO has relative autonomy for his or her own Office, this would not necessarily preclude a strict briefing by Govt. for AC sessions. Of course, it might be that there are variations between various EPC Contracting States; however, Article 26 EPC clearly meantiones 'Representatives' which, in my view, implies that AC members can't act on their own.
I agree that formally the structure is OK. The member states are to blame if they fail to appoint representative representatives.
A director of an NPO actually has conflicting roles if he is supposed to represent his country and to run his office as a manager responsible for its operational performance. It seems it is just another example of the "perverse incentives" Brimelow herself recently referred to (during an EPIP conference in Bologna). IMHO, government agencies that create rights should not depend on their decisions for their financial health!
I recall that President Brimelow comes from the UK, and has declined to serve another term of service to the AC. She said at the time that the job was too political. Was she at the same time finding it impossible to make the AC see sense, on matters like admissibility of divisional applications?
You confuse politics and Politics. Brimelow surely referred to politics in the negative sense of *internal*, selfish political "games".
There is however a dire need for Politics (with a capital) in the sense of democratic control, based on a balanced assessment of interests. Surely Brimelow did not refer to that kind of politics!
Mr Bakels, you'll have to help me. You say there is a "dire need" as if that statement is indisputable. I don't see it, and I imagine no professional reader of this thread does either. For every inventor wanting a TBA Decision upholding his/her patent, there's an Opponent pleading for that TBA to revoke it. And the EPC imposes on judges a mandatory duty to balance fair protection for the inventor with legal certainty for the public. Where in the world is the balance of interests more sophisticated and fair than at the EPO? In what way is the EPO not balancing the interests of inventors and those enjoined by the patents of others?
Oh and by the way, telling people they are confused might make you feel good but it does have certain consequences you know. I would counsel against it. Either my contribution was a confused one (in which case everybody else can see it, without your needing to tell them) or it wasn't confused (in which case your assessment of it as confused reveals more about the state of your mind than of mine).
Legislators make laws (under democratic control) and government agencies (like the EPO) apply the laws (subject to interpretation, within bounds). Goverment agencies are not supposed to make laws. In particular, the EPO is not supposed to assess a balance of interests!
Re "confused": I don't say you are confused, I only try to make a distinction in the interpretation of the word "politics" which as - confusingly - different meanings.
So, Mr Bakels, you tell me. When the Technical Boards of Appeal of the EPO take into account in their decision-making the Protocol on the Interpretation of Article 69 of the EPC, are they deferring to the law made by Governments, or are they themselves making the law? The "balance" I'm alluding to is the balance in the Protocol.
I think we are loosing the issue of the original post out of sight: Brimelow complained about the AC becoming overly political. I really don't think that she complained about political control by national governments - she complained about politics with a small "p": fights about operational EPO vs. NPO interests.
For a proper understanding of art. 69 EPC + its protocol I recommend you to consult a basic textbook about its history.
Mr Bakels, you write:
"she complained about politics with a small "p": fights about operational EPO vs. NPO interests." I think we can all agree that AC members have in mind "NPO interests". I am not sure whether that is Politics, politics, not-politics or not-Politics. You know, I don't care which of the those labels you urge or disparage. And must I really read up the history of Art 69. How will that help us here?
The word "politics" is often associated with "playing games", a focus on non-essential issies, and that is what is happening in the AC when NPOs directors defend their financial interests. If only because that is not the real task of the AC: it is to represent countries, see EPC art. 33, as Axel pointed out.
Anyway, the issue was about democratic control, and the balance of interests of the inventor vs. the rest of society that is essential for patent policy - and that is the prerogative of (real) politicians under democratic control. Neither art. 69 nor its associated protocol requires the patent office to balance interests. It requires a specific interpretation of claims - which is a compromise between a German and a British tradition - "defining a position between [these] extremes which combines a fair protection for the patentee with a reasonable degree of certainty for third parties". In fact it explains why the legislator has struck a balance. The fundamental balance of interest of patents is something very different. And it requires political attention. Do patents (in certain fields) really further the development of technology? That is not a debate to be resolved at the administratriatve level. It is truly a Political judgement. Shall we stop this debate before we start running in circles?
Shall we? i don't know, yet.
Is my memory playing tricks or was there really an inter-Governmental Conference to address inter alia Article 52 EPC and decide whether programs for computers (as such) should or should not be patentable? And did not that Conference reach a democratic, political, inter-Governmental conclusion on that? How much more democracy will it take, before you are satisfied?
The issue was about the democratic content of decisions made by the AC. The diplomatic conference about "EPC 2000" indeed is something else. I won't start an argument with you about the democratic content of duplomatic conferences. A I said before, mainstream politicians are rarely interested in patent policy - but they can't complain if they are not involved. The political debate on the CII directive is perhaps the exception that confirms the rule.
Shall we stop, now that we agree?
Yes, let's stop. Thanks for the invitation. Readers can now decide.
But I must say, I did like your brilliant invented word "duplomatic". Pity you can't patent it. Or are you not in fact its inventor? |
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